Two authors recently discussed the rise and influence of what they describe as "end-times fascists," a term they use to characterize a faction within contemporary political and ideological movements with extreme and apocalyptic views. Their conversation touched on the challenges of addressing this group’s rhetoric, the implications for governance and accountability, and the broader impact on society and the environment.
The authors highlighted the difficulty in distinguishing between provocative or trolling statements and genuine ideological positions. They cited examples such as Elon Musk’s remarks suggesting humanity functions as a "biological boot-loader for digital superintelligence," reflecting a belief in the eventual dominance of artificial intelligence over human life. One of the authors argued that while some of these statements sound absurd, the underlying intentions reveal a desire to exercise control and dominance, warning that such "edge lords" can be both dangerous and influential.
Concerns were also raised about how individuals with these extremist views have increasingly gained positions of power in the United States government. The authors pointed to policy shifts related to public health and security, suggesting that the actions of key officials in departments such as Health and Human Services and Defense have already had tangible effects on communicable diseases and food safety. They cautioned against dismissing alarming rhetoric as mere provocation, advocating instead for vigilance and acknowledgment of the serious threats posed.
When asked about signs that the influence of these factions might be waning, Minneapolis was offered as an example where government overreach in policing sparked backlash even among the base that might have otherwise supported aggressive tactics. This suggests limits to their power and a potential opening for accountability. The discussion emphasized the importance of holding leaders accountable through international mechanisms such as the International Criminal Court (ICC). One participant noted that figures like Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have been called out for actions warranting ICC intervention, highlighting the need for consistent application of international justice across all nations, including major powers like the United States and Israel.
The authors acknowledged the skepticism many feel about the likelihood of holding influential political figures accountable but stressed that change often results from organized efforts and collective action. They described the current ideological struggle as a fight not only against specific political actors but against a broader project that threatens life and creation itself. This project, they warned, is underpinned by vast financial resources and military power, unlike previous historical fascist movements that offered more concrete appeals to their followers.
Beyond the political and social implications, the authors expressed deep concern about the environmental and existential costs of these ideologies. One reflected on the natural wonders of British Columbia’s Salish Sea and lamented the indifference of those in power toward the beauty and fragility of the natural world. They framed this disregard as both a tragedy for nature and a pressing crisis for humanity.
The conversation concluded with a call to resist these forces through sustained effort and to recognize the stakes involved—not only for present political struggles but for the future of life on Earth.